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OVERLAND PARK, Kan. — Former and current students at Wright Career College are suing Wright, accusing the college of providing a sub-standard education that’s left them with massive debt. Four students claim the college deceived them about their education and offers degrees with no value in the workplace.

John Mucci, the president of Wright Career College, said the institution has served Kansas City for 30 years and hundreds of graduates have received degrees here that have led to successful careers.

“We want them to succeed, I’d love to see everybody succeed,” Mucci said. “By giving them an opportunity to get an education in areas where there is employment and they can begin their careers and we believe we’ve done a real good job at that.”

Attorney Kenneth McClain is representing several students who say Wright Career College misrepresented its programs and charged more than they were originally told.

“The colleges are more concerned about the profits that they make than the education that they provide, McClain said. “These students enrolled in a course of study that they were told could be completed in a period of time, all of them took longer to complete their course of study then it was represented to them.”

President Mucci disputed that.

“If a student fails a course they have to take it over, if they fail that course it may also put them in a situation where they are going to be here longer,” he said.

Mucci said it is no different than any other college. As for the student’s claims of not getting a good education, he said most of the professors at Wright have master’s degrees and experience in their field. In addition to that, Mucci said all of the college’s programs are approved by the Kansas Board of Regents, just like Kansas State University and the University of Kansas.

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  • Lisa

    The one thing I will say about Wright is that there is a highly qualified medical coding teacher and she is wonderful and cares about her students. She has the real world experience too. Wright definitely has issues but I will always talk highly of my coding instructors.

  • Jay

    Brown Mackie College did the same thing to me. They continued to collect the money from the company that gave me the loan to attend AFTER I stopped going there. Now I owe the student loan and have nothing to show for it!

  • johncocktosten

    So many of these replies I read say a lot. People who say they went to college or graduated but cannot spell and/or write a coherent sentence. I wonder what your resumes look like?

    • John Hunkler

      Yes, remember that these career colleges are supposed to be providing education to those that cannot make the cut in traditional universities. Part of the problem is that traditional universities are more interested in research grants than tuition. So, the lower end of teh spectrum is greatly under served. On top of that, most traditional universities have competitive enrollment, which means they only take top performers

      The problem is created by the fact that public universities can survive quite well without students and private colleges make a lot of money from students. If public universities are to continue to absorb tax money, they need to service a broader section of the community.

      • Lisa

        It had nothing to do with not making the “cut” at a traditional college for many of us. It had to do with the fact that we have families and work full-time therefore, not allowing us to go full-time to a “traditional college”. So I don’t know who you are to pass judgement on any of us. And ya you struck a huge nerve. Unless you have been in our shoes, DO NOT JUDGE!

      • John Hunkler

        Well, having the ability to be a full-time student is part of the cut. Besides, traditional schools have night and weekend classes too. the bottom line is that most public college students could not make it into a competitive enrollment school. I can say that with statistical confidence, because most high school students can’t make the cut at traditional colleges. If you doubt me, go ahead and enroll at KU and see how far you get.

        I know this, because I have a Master’s degree in engineering, I teach engineering as adjunct at several universities. However, MU declined my enrollment because my 3.92 High School GPA was not high enough.

        The legal act that enabled private career colleges states specifically their purpose. I suggest you read it.

      • Clayton

        Mr. Hunkler,

        I would ask of you to please refrain from trying to educate in the fields that you are not proficient in. I my self have three different degrees and with according to each offer many differences in the action of each school. In the process of obtaining these degrees, there where the occasional up and down in the progression of the the accreditation of each school.

        I see you have no actual knowledge of these students occurring problems with this school or fact based information that would help. The comments you provide are of warnings and self preservation. They have not been to benefit or support these students. The right you have for speaking your mind is fine but remember your not teaching these individuals any thing they have not already discovered on there own or have had to learn the hard way. Simply put you are creating waves.

        I have three degrees two of them where obtained through state colleges. This last one was through Wright Career College, I am not in this law suit for many reasons. But the education I received through WCC was fractional. You might ask why I went. The surrounding colleges did not have the material I wanted to learn or offered. They where all structured to a specific field and manner that for me any one would be able to obtain. I know pursue certificates to further my self.

        I may not be involved in these procedures but these fellow student of mine I know for a fact have a legit claim. I have been to this school and taught but these instructors. Until you place your self in the shoes of the people you comment to, you will not know what they are going through. Please know all the facts before speaking.

      • John Hunkler

        Well, Clayton, I also have numerous degrees. I HAVE been in their shoes. I have a Master’s degree in Computer Science, a Master’s degree in Education Management, a Bachelor’s Degree in Electrical Engineering, and the nemesis degree A Bachelor’s degree in Electronics Engineering Technology. I also hold several certifications in the field of Education and Technology.

        I have developed entire programs for both public and private universities. I have been through numerous accreditation audits by various accreditation boards including NCA, ACICS ACCSCT. and AATP. So, I DO have qualifications in the area of education.

        I have held certification qualifying me to work in Financial Aid Offices as a financial aid adviser in any college or university in the U.S.

        So, as I have stated before, I have worked in virtually every capacity in the higher education system. I have developed curriculum. I have held tenure. I have worked in Student Accounts. I have worked in Financial Aid. I have chaired departments. I currently sit on the advisory board for 2 educational institutions…one public, one private.

        I have also been a professional witness both for and against colleges under fire. I have even started proceedings to pull accreditation at a college I was working for at the time. I can assure you, most of these colleges have tons of signed paperwork (signed by the student) that counters the students’ claims. Unfortunately, ignorance of the educational infrastructure often leaves these students vulnerable. Failure to learn them is likely to make them victims again.

        I began my research into these colleges when I found out my EET degree was NOT eligible to sit for the the PE exams.

        Many colleges take advantage of students who do not know how this stuff works. It is clear that many of you are not interested in learning how it works. They buy into these career colleges like a get-rich-quick scheme.

        Even now, if I were going for some certification, I would consider a career college. If I were going for a degree, I would only consider a public university…not for their educational superiority, but for their credit articulation. I have a degree from UMKC and their educational standards aren’t much better than DeVry’s. In fact, I would say DeVry has better professors, on average. Of course, I graduated from DeVry in 1988.

        As far as speaking freely, I certainly will continue. I am not making waves, I am stating facts. If that upsets you, then you should stop reading my replies. The problem that I see, so far, is that most of those posting on this board, have made a lot of assumptions about things that simply are not true.

        I wish them the best of luck in their lawsuit, but having been through this before, they are going to spend a lot of money and accomplish little. I certainly hope the lawyers are doing this pro-bono.

      • Clayton

        As before John Hunkler you are making no contribution to this form that would help these individuals. As I have stated before your only interest is to speak highly of your self and your accomplishments and belittle the people here in trying to disguise it as educating them. If you where sincere and wanted to help these individuals you would contact the lawyer and offer your resources. But to no avail you still stand up on your soap box and shout to the masses. As many keyboard hero’s do. If I had a personal and educated understanding as in what you say you do, I would be helping not ridiculing. With all of your degrees and education you still do not understand. You writing on this form is not speaking with them it is speaking at them. Fundamentals of communication in which you say you have you would of approached this differently. Stop trying to stand over everyone like an authority figure and stand by them.

    • Clayton

      Now now johncocktosten. Do not be a prude. You are posting on a web site that over 90 percent of the individuals here do not worry about proper spelling or the English language.

      To illustrate effective cognitive calligraphy also known as penmanship or as a layman would say spelling. You would decree that in the particular manner, as you posted would be considered unsophisticated. Addressing this manner I may entertain the idea that you sir are incoherently unable to properly address the community in this form.

      To consummate this final observation: will u please pull the corn cob out of your underside and worry about yourself. the people here are expressing their self’s in a manner where they feel comfortable. U 2 should try it. This is not an English paper we are writing here if you do not like it do not read it.

      • Rachel

        Oh Clayton, honey, it is you’re, not your. And it is you, not u. Clearly, your three degrees were wasted.

      • Clayton

        Come on Rachel, baby you know I am right. If the world was made out of english majors then we all would still be correcting people because of there smug nature. The people that want to correct others are snobs and they think the world should run their way. There is a lot of this going on here. No matter how well your grammar and or english is you’re still wrong.

        Also I have not gotten the jobs I have for my english, grammar, or degrees. It has been for my skill set. The degrees might of helped a little. Plus no matter how many degrees you have like me (I AM NOT PERFECT NEITHER ARE YOU) will ever depend on spelling and grammar unless it is your field. (Which are not that many from what I have experienced)

        With my dyslexia and stuttering problem I have learned communicating with people differs from place to place from people to people. Also the most important lesson I have learned is it is rude to correct other people. Guess you don’t need a degree for that one just respect and common sense.

        Oh yes and another thing,

        The society which scorns excellence in plumbing as a humble activity and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because it is an exalted activity will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy: neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water.
        – John W. Gardner

        People love to argue and comment about other things than what is the point of the conversation.

        As before, you or anyone one else that strikes out I return the favor. And what does this have to do with these people and there law suit. A lot of garb if you ask me?????

        Good luck everyone involved in the law suit may it be in your favor.

  • ShowMeResults

    I’m not sure about the conduct of this university, but I learned the hard way that there are good and bad colleges and it often comes down to the individual departments. Colleges are a business so you need to go in armed with questions and signed commitments.

    I had a university finance office state that my year’s worth of college credits from High School advanced programs would count towards my degree and that I would graduate in 2.5 to 3 years, rather than 4. 2 weeks in, my advisor told me that they only counted toward 2 electives and I should plan on 5 years.

    In my experiences, it is possible to see universities:

    1> Change class and graduation requirements after a student enters the program. You are not locked in to this years checklist.
    Ex: We teach Java and C++. 1 semester in…we have discontinued C++ from our program.
    2> Delay or Limit the availability of required classes to only Spring/Fall.
    3> Require textbooks that are deemed necessary by the department, but then not used by the individual teachers, who require their own textbooks.
    4> Require teachers to teach in order to be given grant money for research. This does not result in quality teachers.
    5> Hire new teachers and only monitor 1 lecture.
    Ex: My Technical Writing class was changed to book reports about drugs and the 70’s.
    6> Notify teachers that they will not be given a class to teach for the next semester, while classes are ongoing.
    Ex: Professor was told they would not be picked-up next semester and proceeded in abdicating class instruction to their TA who was provided an hour long quiz for every Friday. By the drop date only 12/30 and 16/30 students remained in the classes and most were fighting for a C.
    7> Defend poor instruction or professors at the Department level. Speaking to the Dean or the President may be a better option if you are brushed off.
    8> FOCUS: Many colleges have a focus. Formerly UMR is research focused, MU is sports focused, Northwest is Education focused., SMS is Healthcare and increasingly Healthcare IT focused. Depending on the focus, those departments have more resources and greater ability to improve their curriculum and offer graduates opportunities. Small departments mean more personal instruction, but also tend to result in very outdated class requirements and fixed schedules.
    9> The Program trap> ‘we have 2 or 3 similar programs and it’s easy to jump between them.’ It’s a TRAP! You can easily change at the end of the first semester if you want to graduate on time.

    At the end of the day, an average resume and a solid reference can easily surpass a great resume. Employers like to gamble on safe bets unless they are a large company that hires new grads in bulk. A reference will generally get you a personal response. Only after those are exhausted will they look at the shiniest resume on the pile.

    • John Hunkler

      1> While this is somewhat disruptive, it is not really illegal. Private schools try to adjust to the market. I can completely see C++ being dropped in favor of Java. In the whole scheme of things, the two are not that different. But, remember that your student catalog is a contract. The school cannot change a program once you are enrolled. IF the program changes, they are legally obligated to teach out the old curriculum. But, if you miss a semester, the contract is no good. In the end, changing a class in the curriculum is not that big of a deal as long as they do not disrupt the pre-requisite chain leading up to that class. In effect, colleges cannot legally change the curriculum in a manner that would cost the student more money.

      2> Public universities do this all the time.
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      3> Typically, textbooks are chosen by committee in private schools to avoid this. In public universities, the professor chooses the book. Quite often, professors choose a book they authored.

      4> Yes, Grants are good to a point, but the public is somehow under the impression that it is students performing the research. It is rare that a student is involved in research beyond pushing paper for the research professor.

      5> Professor ratings in a public university do not mean anything anyway. Nothing on a professor evaluation is even looked at. The only reason public universities do them is because the state or accreditation board makes them.

      6> In public universities, this is irrelevant. Most professors take paid sabbatical during this time. Tenured professors are contracted for their classes and get paid for them regardless. But, most tenured professors at public universities only teach 4 classes a year anyway. They do research the rest of the time.

      7> At private schools, this is vastly more effective than at public universities.

      • ShowMeResults

        My experiences were with 2 public universities as well as knowing a student who earned a doctorate and became a professor.

        1> On this I think it is basically what the department believes they can get approved, even if that means adding pre-reqs or removing classes that had been previously promoted. I have seen these changes delay other students from graduating by a semester frequently.

        2> agreed, that was my experience

        3> My friends experience as a professor is that the department or dean chooses the standard textbooks, but the individual professors can add ‘supplemental books’. This usually results in the department books being unused once you get to the 200+ level classes.

        4> On this my problem is that you end up with instructors that are only doing the minimum to teach class and fill the required office hours for their research. It is good for Master’s or higher level degrees if you want to work with someone in your field of study.

        5> Yeah, and that is a problem. If an instructor vastly changes a class, students should approach the department head or Dean. In the example I sited, I should have done exactly that so that I could have learned technical writing, but at the time it was the only class and instructor offered to fulfill the requirement.

        6> This is actually very relevant. The university that I was attending offered early retirement and 40+ professors retired. Entire departments were emptied or nearly emptied. We had a rush of new instructors, none of which could take time-off for a semester to try for another class.

        Tenure, in itself, is a terrible idea. You end up with instructors that only do the minimum and cannot be easily removed even with students filing complaints and petitioning the university. Good instructors do not need tenure.

        I can’t say that I have experience with private schools or with the university in this article. I don’t believe that these issues are limited to just private or public universities. There are many universities that are poorly managed and rather than trying to identify and improve any shortcomings, they tend to place any problems on the students rather than looking for ways to improve the quality of lower the cost of instruction.

        When I transferred from what was a terrible college choice to the university I graduated from, only then did the administration office act shocked at my stories and offer to refund classes and remove them from my transcripts….provided I stayed at the university. I’m not sure that is illegal, but it certainly is not what any student should expect from a university. Oh, and make sure that you pay your loan off to the penny. If it is under $30, I was told they don’t issue refunds. lol

      • John hnkler

        1> Yes, it is not legal to do this, but many schools rely o the students’ not knowing that. I had the same issue at UMKC. They told me to feel free to get a lawyer and wait for the lawsuit to be settled. Of course, while waiting for the lawsuit, I would have to stop taking classes, which would nullify the contract. But he point is, even public universities do this stuff.

        I have gone to both public and private schools. Honestly, the education is about the same. The costs, overall, are not that different. Private schools have higher tuition, but public schools only call half of what they charge “tuition.” By the time I bought the mandatory gym membership, a mandatory bus pass, a mandatory health membership, a $350 parking pass, paid construction fees, and lab fees for labs I never used, night class differentials, weekend differentials, masters class differentials, technology class differentials, engineering class differentials…etc, etc, The total cash outlay was about the same.

        3> Textbooks are a touchy subject at most colleges. Academic freedom can be interpreted in many ways. How the school handles textbooks is often dictated by their academic freedoms policy. Private schools tend to have AF policies that are too weak while public schools have AF policies that are too strong. In the middle are the students.

        4> Yes, I was shocked to find out that a “professor” a public universities typically only teach 4 classes per year. that averages about 4 hours a week in the classroom. FAs typically write, administer and grade exams and homework. these professors are required to publish 3 peer reviewed articles a year though. this is the infamous “publish or perish” that plaques public universities. It is not all bad, but it has got way out of hand.

      • John hnkler

        6> Private schools typically do not have tenure. They have full-time and adjunct. Full-time s the closest thing to tenured that a private school has.

        Tenure is another one of those things that public schools suffer from. It is virtually impossible to get rid of a tenured professor. Some of the worst professors I have had have been tenured professors at public universities. I took a Masters level stats class at UMKC, the professor only showed up to class 50% of the time. The FA showed up about 25% of the time. The FA could not answer any questions…all they could do was assign homework and refer us to the math tutors. When the professor showed up, he talked about his travels and stuff like that. He didn’t give a single lecture that was worth the money I was paying.

      • ShowMeResults

        Sounds like you have learned a lot of the same painful and costly lessons. I’m just glad that my brother who is in college was able to find a better university and has avoided some of the pitfalls that I encountered. I wish I knew then, what I know now.

        -Be armed with questions when you visit a university.
        -Make sure any promises are backed up in writing, especially credits.
        -Avoid one-off programs because they change and as was stated, may not be accreditted.
        -Talk to the department head of your college before deciding. That will give you insight into how they approach instruction.
        -If your instructor is bragging about how few students pass their class, drop them. Dropping a class is not the same as failing a class.
        -If your instructor rewrites the class, talk to your advisor, department head and dean in that order until you get someone’s attention, or drop their class. Instructors that can’t fill classes don’t teach long.
        -Textbooks are a lose/lose situation. You either get books you won’t use and can’t resell at a decent value or you wait to see on the first day of class and they run out of textbooks.
        -Look online at teacher reviews. The ratings can be misleading, but read the personal stories of what issues people experienced.
        -The final degree is not a guarantee but a chance to get a foot in the door. Try to make contacts and attend as many college recruiting events as you can in the last 2 years. Any promises of job placement outside of a written agreement are empty.
        -Ask about graduation rates and the amount of classes taught by Teacher Assistants. If they stumble on this, they have issues.
        -Ask how many of the classes are taught by native English speakers and what they do to make sure instructors speak clearly.
        -The President of the University may be entirely unaware of any issues. In my case, once the EPIC issue I had was brought to his attention, my issue was resolved inside of an hour (after months) and the dean, department head and tenured instructor were being contacted to discuss their actions.
        -Litigation is the place of last resort because of the cost and delays. Any shady university will bank on most students struggling on or quitting rather than suing. Identifying warning signs earlier and cutting your losses is the best thing you can do.

      • John Hunkler

        I have degrees from both public universities and private colleges. Yes, there are some hard lessons out there. I teach adjunct at both private and public colleges. I have been involved in the management of both also. Essentially I have done it all when it comes to post-secondary education.

        Even with all the information I am armed with, the schools STILL try to deceive me. I taught UMKC that they are legally obligated to show me the CV of any professor on campus. Of course it took months of arguing with them. The funny part is that it is a fundamental rule of any college that is accredited by the North Central Association. As I suspected, the professor had no degree in the field he was teaching, no experience in ANY field outside of academia, no certifications in the field he was teaching. Essentially he was operating EXACTLY like UMKC claims private schools operate.

  • Nikki

    I am currently a student at Wright and have had so many of the same problems. I am still there but plan on completing my degree and graduating in May. I should have left after having problems on my first day in September of 2012, that are still problems now. I have gone up and talked to people about the problems i’m having but nothing has changed and I am now in debt nearly $40,000. I want in on this law suit too.

  • love bug

    In the process of finding an attorney. This school forged my name on withdrawal forms and would not let me see them. I told a lady today I was considering taking legal action and now they are saying nothing was signed. Officially pissed about to sue them for forgery and everything else I can pin on them. DO NOT GO TO THIS SCHOOL.

  • paul

    the FEC spent vast amounts of WIA funding running students through these colleges.. I was fired when I confronted a person working with the FEC on mass enrollments into these programs

  • John Hunkler

    One of the saddest things in this story is that those that feel ripped off are never going to get their time back. It is unlikely that they will get their money back either. But the students who do NOT feel ripped off are going to suffer along with the ones that do.

    These kinds of lawsuits destroy the credibility of the institution and nullify past degrees in an instant. The best path to take is to exhaust all other options first.

    The second these colleges decide to close, all of their students, past and present, are impacted. The second these colleges decide to close, all of the tuition money is gone and all the lawsuits are worthless. Simply put, you cannot sue an entity that no longer exists. All of the contingency fund will be consumed by the lawyers and it is probably not enough to cover legal fees.

    Once the lawsuit goes through, if the college loses, their credits will become toxic and every single student, past and present, will be looking at retaking every single class over, or stop using their degree.

    To everyone that feels like they might be in this situation, DON’T KEEP FEEDING THEM MONEY! Go to a different school. Try a public university or a community college. I can guarantee you that they are not much different from an education standpoint.

    I hear people say all the time “but my credits won’t transfer anywhere else”
    Well, what makes you think MORE credits are going to transfer somewhere later?!?

    “I am not getting a good education?”
    What makes you think shoveling more money and time to them is going to change that?

    There is an underlying notion that private schools need to be done away with. This is from the president of the U.S. on down. But the real issue is, who is going to take up the slack? Public universities are running at full capacity. In fact, most public universities only accept 30% of applicants. Most (not all) public universities are globally competitive. this means that applicants are competing for a seat among the entire world. With our primary and secondary educational institutions in educational shambles, American students do not stand a chance of getting a competitive seat in public universities.

  • John Hunkler

    QUESTION: Can I get my Professional Engineer (PE) certification with this degree?
    COLLEGE ANSWER: certainly.
    REALITY: Yes, you can get your PE with this degree…but you will have to earn a PE eligible degree first. See they didn’t lie, you CAN get your PE with their degree…meaning their degree will not prevent you from taking the PE exam…it just won’t make you eligible for it.

  • Christi

    Sounds to me like John Hunkler works for the college..Yes sir you do need a masters degree to teach medical billing and coding..I don’t think a related area is going to get you far in life. Second this isn’t a lot of us first time in a college. Many of the people who go here have been thru the speal before..Third to get financial aid does not categorize you in a specific of not having a ged or owing money..I make a large amount of money and still received that. I would question the way you present your logic. But thank you for humoring all on the site. Many of us find it interesting im sure. And many of us were not going for a so called certificate. It takes more than a certificate to get you very far in a job field. Anyone can get a certificate..it takes real work to get a degree which more than half of us have put in our time. To have this taken from us and added debt for such a lie.

    • John Hunkler

      Unfortunately, Christi, your lack of knowledge is going to hurt what might be a legitimate case. You only need a Master’s degree if you are teaching in a Bachelor’s level course. Look it up. It will be in the accreditation guidelines.

      I do not work for THE college…but I have worked for several colleges and universities in various capacities. I can tell by your statement that you are angry, but your anger does no good in this case.

      If you think EVERY college course requires an instructor with a degree in the specific area they are teaching, you are sorely mistaken. No college or university, public of private can possibly do that…it just isn’t reasonable.

      I am sorry, but you simply CANNOT get Federal financial aid if you do not have a GED or equivalent…unless you lied on the FAFSA. Trust me, defaulted federal obligations WILL CERTAINLY eliminate you from student aid. It is REAL easy to check…go fill out a FAFSA online…it will tell you if you are eligible and if not, it will tell you why.

      $100,000/year is where federal financial aid starts limiting…go look it up on the ED website.

      If you qualified for Federal Financial Aid while making more than $100,000/year…without a GED….quite simply, you lied on the FAFSA.

      I understand that you put in a lot of time and money, but shutting down the college is only going to do more harm. IF the parent corporation decides to close, all you are going to get is screwed again by your lawyers. See, corporations are a legal entity that isolates the directors from the corporation. If the corporation closes, there will be nothing to sue.

      The fact that you do not know the difference between a certificate and a certification (though the terms may be easily confused) shows that you have not researched your educational opportunities very well.

      A “certificate” is anything less than an associates degree…while a certification is an industry standard exam that validates your skills in a particular area. Certifications can vary in educational requirements. For instance, the PE certification I mentioned requires a BS degree and 5 years of experience working for a certified engineer. Then you can sit for the first PE exam. Once you pass all of your PE exams, you can legally call yourself an engineer. While many people call themselves engineers, the term requires them to meet legal requirements…just like a Medical Doctor or a lawyer.

      All professional degrees typically require a certification from the state where you are planning to practice. Many state reciprocate professional certifications. For instance, if a lawyer passes their certification exam ( called the Bar exam) they can legally practice law in all 50 states.

    • John Hunkler

      BTW, I just looked up the requirements for billing and coding instructors. As far as AACP is concerned, the instructor does not need a degree AT ALL…all they need is to pass the certification exam…That is all, nothing else.

      Other accreditation may require more qualifications, but if I want to open a school that does nothing but billing and coding..the only accreditation I need is the AACP…and they only require the instructor to have the certification. The certification is awarded when they pass the CPB exam.

      Now, if a college has one of the general accreditation, they may have additional requirements. NCA requires 70% of instructors to possess a degree one level above where they teach. But if a college is not NCA accredited, that requirement does not apply to them.

    • Rachel

      The diplomas and degrees offered at career colleges are for entry level jobs. That is clearly stated from day one until the day the student graduates. Wright retains over 90% of its students. And that is because it cares about the success of its students.

      • Lisa

        Rachel since you obviously work for Wright or did work for Wright…tell me this….Is it okay that students go almost a whole 15 weeks without a Coding instructor. And same with the Reimbursment class. NO TEACHER only subs until about my last 3-4 weeks in those classes. All the while, when we went to staff and expressed our concerns, nothing was done but for them to say, we are working on finding someone. BUT, we still paid for those classes. Why couldn’t the other coding teacher monitor our class, atleast we would have learned more. And truly thank god, she did help us on her own.

        Also, it is okay for a history teacher to tell a colored student that she should feel greatful that she lives in America today. Is that okay or would you consider that to be racist? Several of us went to the director and complained about that teacher and still we had to sit in his class until he quit.

        You said that Wright has a 90% retention, I don’t agree with that. Because the evening classes used to be packed when I started 50-75 students and when I left there was maybe 25-30 students. Yeah every 3 weeks, we would see a ton of new faces but then they would go away.

        So, I would say that it will definitely be up to the courts to decide. I am not part of the current suit either but I too feel wronged in a few areas. I do recall being told that included in my tuition was a certification test however, no one ever said another word about it nor did I take any certification test that my tuition paid for.

      • Rachel

        Lisa,

        I do not, nor have I ever, work for Wright Career College. I work for a different private college who is actually a direct competitor to Wright. Do I think it is fair that you had to go 15 weeks without an instructor? Absolutely not. Do I think that you got a raw deal for that class? I absolutely do. However, with that being said, instructors are hired because of their education and credentials. A history instructor who made racist statements is a major cause for concern. I am certain that the school was working on the complaints in the background. They cannot, and will not, inform the complaining students of the status of their investigation, nor are they legally required to disclose personnel issues to those students. Simply put, general education instructors are hard to find, as they must have a Master’s degree and at least 18 credits in the subject matter. That is a requirement, not a choice. As to the paying for your certification exam, that varies from school to school. The most common practice that I have seen is for the school to only pay for the certification exam IF you passed. A lot of schools bring proctors in for the exam, but others provide the student with a voucher. If you were told that they would pay for your exam, then you should have verified that prior to taking it. I see a lot of students that don’t pay attention to their charges, and should take the time to review each one, as often the cost of the certification exam is included in their tuition and paid for by their Financial Aid. The recurring theme here is that the disgruntled students are not willing to accept responsibility for their actions. These law suits are a dime a dozen, and it smacks of accountability issues. Career Colleges were established because there was an overwhelming demand for a more hands on education and training. Some of them are still in business, some of them aren’t. Students choose career schools because they either want a technical training program, or, they require something “quick.” These people were also often times laid off from a previous job, and as the current job market is degree driven and saturated with so many people, they require an education to achieve employment. As to the 90% retention, that is a fact, not a supposition. The number is based on students that have matriculated and leave the program without completing it. And Wright has retained over 90% of its students. Mr. Mucci has it right in the article – everyone from the bottom up cares about the success of its students, and will bend over backwards to help them. Of course, you are always going to have a rotten apple from time to time. But that does not change the overall goal of the institution. We do not know the whole story, and it stands to reason that these students involved in the lawsuit had some issues that are not being disclosed. I am very curious to know what their student files contain. Were they on an LOA? Did they fail any classes? Were they dropped because of attendance or not making satisfactory academic progress? There are always two sides to every story, and I guarantee you that those issues will come to light during the legal proceedings. All colleges are required to keep these records and they are reviewed by the applicable regulatory boards.

      • John Hunkler

        About going without a professor for 15 weeks…where are you going to go to prevent that? My UM stochastic probability course didn’t meet for 1/3 of the class and a faculty assistant taught it most of the remaining time. See, even public universities do that kind of stuff.

        In many public universities, you may not even see your professor. A teaching assistant gives lectures and assigns homework etc. The professor has more important things to do.

    • John Hunkler

      I am not protecting anyone. All I am trying to do is educate a few people so they don’t make the same mistakes AGAIN. I personally don’t care if they close the place down. But having a degree from a defunct school is not a good thing. You only THINK it is bad now. Once the school is beat down, your degrees will truly be worthless.

      At least, do a little research and find out if you can take any certification exams to use as credentials, because your college credits will be worthless. No amount of legal action is going to change that. You can’t FORCE another college to take your credits.

      But please, feel free to transfer to ITT, DeVry, maybe HTI or PCI so we can all hear you whine about this same thing in a few years.

      If you do not learn how the system works, you are just going to make the same mistake again. Trust me, I know. I went through the same thing a few years ago.

      If you want my advice, feel free to use it. If you don’t, feel free to dump another $50,000 into the next diploma mill you come across. It is no skin off of my back either way.

      But please, don’t sit here and criticize me for trying to educate a few people about why they are getting screwed by the education system…then in the same breath tell me how eager you are to learn…Making statements like you just made, tells me that you are simply unwilling to be educated in any manner…is THAT the case here or did you really get ripped off?

  • Joe S

    Here is what I learned for reading comments:

    John Hunkler apparently knows all and everyone else knows nothing.

    Mr Hunkler, I graduated from an accredited community college in Kansas in one year with 62 credit hours that all but one transferred to the currebt 4 year institution I am at. The institution still credit me 62 hours because I do in fact have a diploma with my name and what my associates is in. Because of this, I am able to graduate this spring from the four year institution that I am at.

    While you are knowledgable in some areas, you are not in all. Going through a community college saves a lot of me. Facts, schools, even the very institutions you brag about all point to community colleges being cheaper.

    Are they better? Depends on the school, like any school you attend. A degree from Harvard holds more weight than a degree from UMKC. it’s just the facts, that’s all.

    But to make claims like you are, are actually harming people in their educational pursuit, not helping them at all. If we wanted an expert, we’d take our chances with a university, not some guy on a website.

    • John Hunkler

      All I said about community colleges is that in many locations it is hard to get into classes.

      I currently attend a CC…but I also verified their articulation agreement with UMKC.

      However, The program I am enrolled in only has night classes once in a while. So, I am dual enrolled and take classes at UMKC when there is nothing at the CC. I know the Missouri side CCs do not offer a good mix of classes unless you can attend in the daytime.

      Where private schools excel is their night and weekend offering are usually better than public universities. It is almost the exact opposite of public schools. Public colleges have strong daytime classes and weak night classes. Private schools tend to have weak daytime classes and strong night classes.

      In fact, UMKC does not always have classes in my program at night. So, trying to get a BS degree at night is going to take a lot longer than 4 years.

      People read about CCs and think they are the solution, but that is not always the case. They often have a limited pool of faculty and classes are then limited. I will say that the instruction at CCs tend to be better than public universities and private colleges.

      CCs also do not gouge you with a lot of fees. UMKC almost doubles their cost with fees.

  • wayne

    Rachel,
    If you don’t work for Wright, how do you know about:
    “Did I also mention that Wright is working on receiving the HLC (regional) accreditation? And has been approved by the Kansas State Board of Nursing for the Associate of Science in Nursing degree- and has passed with zero citations or recommendations, their programmatic review recently? “

    • John Hunkler

      Because, guess who does those audits. All accreditation audits are performed by other colleges and universities in the region. Wright’s direct competitors are assembled into an accreditation review team that goes to the campus and does the accreditation audits.

  • James

    Hello, I recently Graduated from Wright and can i say what a mess! I actualy had to sit on the floor for a couple classes due to the school bringing in to many students in a different area of study. I also was interupted by numerous fights in the hallways until a few months passed and they finally hired Fulltime police to walk the halls. The teachers in begining were not one level above how they got by with that is a whole difeent story. The director was rude to everyone and was eventualy fired.This school was a revolving door of teachers. I have been a buiness owner for twenty years and went back to school to try something new if i ran any of my company’s this way i would be put out of business. I caught wright in lies all the time. They would not post canceled classes i had to drive 40 miles one way only to find the school closed… they also could not get financial aide completed properly and tried to make you take stipend funds. I had a mess when i went to enter another school wright did not have my grduattion date correct or my attendence had me missing a whole month! They also overcharged me on tuition had i not said something they would have passed it off..Books were only available via ebooks which most the time they had trouble getting them issued to the students …I could go on but it just gets worse. I would love to be part of a law suit to get my money back. This was the most stressful 15 months of my entire life. They need to be shut down. FYI they need to look into were all the federal funds are going and how they are being charged to each student i know they wil find some interesting things happening. Omaha Nebraska Branch stay away!

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  • tiffani

    Hi, I will admit that I have spelling problems and really just trying to get my point out. I am a student at Wright Career College. I am a little frustrated with being charged for textbooks that I could fine online that are cheaper. I think that if they would like to make more money they would do it honestly. I argue with my spouse and cry over him telling me that WCC is a waste of time just from other people he works with at his job that tell him WCC is worthless. I am already trying to find a job and most job sites don’t have WCC listed.
    I am frustrated and in tears from having to pay a school that promised me that their career services will help to find a job. I have been unemployed for over a year and thought a degree would help to make a difference in employment. I need help and if any one can help give me advice or people who will accept WCC student that would be extremely helpful. I am only 26 and want my life to be a fresh start. Please enlighten and tell me there is hope and where to find it.

  • Justin

    I my self attend wright at this very moment and I can tell you half of the teachers have no idea what’s going on. How do I know this? Because are teacher criticize the board of directors constantly and say how are the students supose to learn when when the teacher’s don’t know what they are supose to be doing. Also they have a high turn over rate so there is one teacher that will take over several classes. I don’t know what jonny up there’s talking about but wright does not require you to have a master’s to teach most of the teacher just have 12 credits in the area of study and it qualifies them hahah. Now in Omaha there are several students I kno personally that could not get jobs because of the hospitals wouldn’t accept the substandard teaching of wright. This place over charged for everything, they will put a stamp on there books so Noone else can buy them so when u take a 500 dollar book to sell back in good condition they will only give you 10 bucks. They are also charging me almost 50 grand for a 2 year degree in which the universities don’t charge that much. Learn what the hell you people are talking about before you wanna say wright is a great place and does no harm

  • Catrina Johnson

    I attended classes at Wright’s Business I graduated October 2005. Once I graduated I went out to try in find me a job but everyone I applied with told me that Wright’s Business wasn’t accreditation school so they wasn’t able to hire me. An now I owe student loans thousands of dollars for basically nothing.

  • Jessica

    I attended wright back from oct 2008 through march 2010. I was told by the school that they would help me acquire a job in my degree field (information technology) and they didnt do anything. The teachers also let students get away with watching dvds… Talking on phones… Among many other things and never got approached. But if a dean sits in the class nothing happens. I think the school is a giant daycare for adults and just want money nothing more.